Tuesday, July 15, 2008

The nature of being proud

Let's talk about being proud:
proud
1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth.
2. Occasioning or being a reason for pride.
3. Feeling or showing justifiable self-respect.
4. Filled with or showing excessive self-esteem.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English language list several shades of meanings. I copied only these four and then checked a Polish Language dictionary to see if I find what I expected to find. And I was not mistaken. The meanings given were very similar to the ones I listed above, this seems to be a word with a close correspondence in meaning between these two languages. However, there is one significant difference - in the order of the meanings given. Does it matter? As far as I know, the order of the meanings should, on principle, reflect the order of the most common to the least common usage. Don't ask me how it is determined but at least here it collaborates with my hypothesis, namely that in Polish the word "proud" carries the "excessive" meaning more often than in English. It may be a little redundant to say at this point(but I will say it anyway) that meaning number 4 above moved up to number 2 in Polish, the first meaning being basically the same. It is hardly a proof but still, must mean something, right?
It is not good to be proud in Poland. It may be changing but I think its negative connotation has a long way to go before it gets degraded to number 4... You can be proud of somebody else, for example your friend has just finished a marathon on a wheelchair - it is very natural to be proud of such a strong willed friend. You have a right to be proud, especially if you somehow helped the person to achive this incredible feat. But you should never say you helped because then your being proud is not that noble anymore. The assumption goes - you have your share in the success - no wonder you are #4 proud!
Under certain circumstances, you are allowed to be proud of your kids. It is tricky, though. You boast about their grades, awards, successes, and whatever else a little too much (and the question is what is too much? - never easy to say) and you are just another crazy parent and everybody assumes your kid must be average at best - maybe you are trying to cover up for something? If everything were so well you'd feel satisfied and wouldn't need to make all this fuss... Everybody hates you and your kids too, just in case they are as full of shit as their parents. Again, if your kids overcame some extraordinary difficulties to achieve what they did you are given a little more room to carry your pride around.
Now, the most problematic situation to deal with is being proud of yourself. Here, even if you had worked your butt off and fought with cancer while writing a bestseller or learnt to paint with your mouth after an accident that left you paralysed.... even then you should not talk too much about how proud you are. People will be proud of you, some have not lifted a finger to help you out but for some reason they will tell you how proud of you they are. I understand that semantics can be really complicated at this point - of course, it is not the same kind of pride every time - when you are proud of somebody who truly deserves it, you feel moved by the achievement, you appreciate the amount of effort it took to do this particular thing for that person but what you are really doing by saying: "I am so proud of you," may actually be this: "I feel proud for you, so you don't need to taint your wonderful success and your admirable person with this low feeling."
So how do you speak about your successes in Poland? The best way is to tell some friendly or easily bought person all about this and let them sing your praises. But you have to pick very carefully, it cannot be somebody that would benefit from making your achievements widely known even in the slightest way, like taking credit for some of it. That would make you lose all credibility. Ideally, it should be somebody superior to you, or an expert in the field of your success, totally unrelated to you. Your role then will be to be appropriately embarrassed, get a little red in the face if you can, and say something like "Oh, stop it, that was not that great. I was just lucky!" They won't like it but they will accept that you did what you did. And that it is something.
Maybe I do have an issue with this word - there is one more aspect of it that I could say something about but I'll leave it for some other time because it's getting late here in Poland. Maybe the fact that I have had several traumatic experiences with words make me want to be a linguist? Something like the idea that many people decide to study psychology to find solutions to their screwed up lives... I guess I should have considered psychology... Well, a little too late now!
Anyway, it does seem sometimes that when you talk to people about your failures, problems, and difficulties you come across as more approachable and friendly than when you toot your own trumpet too often (is that how you say it? Anybody?). Unless you overdo the complaining, of course. I don't think friends or relationship gained this way can be true and lasting. You will just get a little attention, for as long as you serve the purpose of making people feel better about themselves, either because they realize they are not as miserable as you are or because they can be so nobly supportive and helpful. The moment you are not needed anymore... well, who wants a needy or whiny friend around all the time? Get a grip, finally!

5 comments:

Jim said...

1) I tend to think pride should be felt, not expressed at all. You've clearly specified the various traps one can fall into if one does express it.

2) More and more, I think linguistics is a branch of psychology (or vice versa). Analysing the meaning of words, and the meanings people impose on them when they use them, is an act of psychoanalysis.

Remember Humpty Dumpty! "'When I use a word,' he said rather scornfully, 'it means what I choose it to mean - no more, no less.'" :)

eva said...

Very interesting... is the content of your #1 something you have always believed or you learnt to feel this way while in Poland? Because it sounds so Polish!

Now, #2. I don't consider linguistics as a branch of psychology or the other way around. If you really want to do some categorizing I think both of these fields of study (along with neurobiology, philosophy, and computer science) can be seen as parts of the more comprehensive "cognitive science" because any conclusion about the mind can be convincing only when a lot of different kinds of evidence converge on it. We are investigating more and more complicated notions and phenomena so we need all the tools we have at our disposal. Soon the old divisions may not work anymore.

Analyzing the meanings people impose on words sounds more like sociolinguistics to me than psychoanalysis. After all, these meanings are usually culturally and socially determined, based on a person's schema. Is a meaning I give to a word a reflection of some unconscious psychological process? Well, maybe, to some extent - just because language happens to be processed in the brain, just like our thoughts, memory, and emotions. But I think it is much more a reflection of the input (linguistic, social, cultural, maybe the list can go on) I have internalized and, possibly, also personalized. Besides, linguistics is not about just meanings of words anymore. All the subfields like neurolinguistics, psycholinguistics, sociolinguistics, syntax, phonology, phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics - the science of language in general, have managed to go beyond the study of words and how they are used and have advanced enormously in the last 30 or so years. But a discussion of such a topic deserves a whole blog and not a little comment in response to another comment to one quite hastily written post. Not to mention that I feel I am not qualified yet to discuss it at length.

I am afraid Humpty Dumpty was a rather simple-mined fellow and wanted his world to be simple too. A word you use hardly ever ends up to mean just what you intend it to mean... like it or not. Poor delusional Humpty Dumpty!

Anonymous said...

I think I have to go back to my Polish customs book so I can more fully understand from a cultural perspective why there such disdain for every form of pride, when it is the definition equivalent to hubris (#4) which comes with a loathing for someone else that is actually the damaging form of pride (the deadliest of the seven deadly sins). Maybe as an American I’m just culturally bred to accept that a sense of pride for one’s nation and for the various accomplishments of others (as well as your own) is not only acceptable but expected. I have been raised to believe that our show of pride for someone else is evidence of our love and appreciation for that person. I suppose the meaning we Americans take from the word is truly different on lots of levels. And perhaps that is why some non-Americans hate us so much – we just don't necessarily pretend to be humble like others do. Isn’t it just as bad when others pretend to be so humble and non-proud, when in fact, in their heart they are just as proud (if not more proud) as any obnoxious American? Hmm...I think I need to think about this a little more.

Jim said...

Christine, yr comment was very interesting. :) What bothers me (and others, perhaps) is that Americans are seen as feeling their pride in their nation by default - irrespective of whether it deserves that pride or not. Like love, pride should be earned, not just given without a thought. That devalues it.

Eve, of course you are right (as a professional linguist, of course, not a glorified amateur like me :D) that linguistics is far more than the study of words. Also, I think my #1 is as much a product of being English as anything else - don't express too much, modesty, restraint, the stiff upper lip, etc.

Which brings us to another point C made - regarding people who affect a false modesty to conceal their overweening pride. That's why I said what I said - a person who deprecates herself because she genuinely doesn't believe her achievements are that special may easily be perceived as being just that kind of hypocrite, even when she isn't. So better not to draw much attention to ourselves in the first place, right? ;)

I think the three of us will have some interesting conversations. ;)

Anonymous said...

Hi Eva!
This is Anna from Polish Blog.
You know what is more interesting than pride to me? The fake modesty that is so prevalent in Poland. That is something I never understood and never will.
Heck, if I achieve something, you betcha I'm going to be proud AND EXPRESS it, too. I see nothing wrong with the American concept of pride and how it's manifested (Aussies are very similar in that respect, so are Swedes and scores of other nations). But then again, don't confuse pride and patriotism. To me the two are quite different. ;)